I should note that I don't think sacks are unimportant, I think they're not as indicative of success nor as predictive of future success in the way win/loss percentage and hits/hurries are (due to the things that change a pressure/hit into a sack often not being related to the defender himself, but the context around the play). So the argument is that sacks are much more important in impacting the game, but not in gauging the performance of a player in said game.
Or darn, I made my argument instead of arguing with myself :)
If I were to formulate an argument that sacks are more important than hits/pressures in predicting future success or analyzing a player, I'd center it around the idea that finishing is a skill, and players who are able to consistently do so carry more value than players who carry a "close, but no cigar" sign with them on their way to the quarterback. In other words, the players who lead in sacks are more likely to finish and end the play.
Argument here should center around the OL. It's built to maul, and they were excellent at it in 2021. Utilize that as another weapon rather than relying almost exclusively on the passing game, and force teams to either get run over or adapt their play style when facing the Chiefs (which would, in theory, help the passing game with consistency).
The Bucs, desperate to extend this title window post-Brady, have offered their next 8 first and 3rd round picks to the Chiefs for Patrick Mahomes. Good luck Seth, haha!
Haha, I almost didn’t even put it because anything involving Patrick is a non-starter, but with the rumor about WFT calling to check on him I couldn’t resist.
In a league where resources are finite, this would put the Chiefs at a distinct advantage for a full decade in terms of resources while allowing them the cap space to absorb another franchise QB cap hit. And so, with this sort of haul they could trade for a good QB like Russ Wilson, pay him, and still have almost twice the draft capital of every other team for the next half-decade that would allow them flexibility to trade for assets and sign veterans (given their unheard-of pipeline for young, cheap talent) and load up the roster around a good (but not Mahomesian) QB for years to come.
Gronk showed the last few seasons that he's still a good receiver, and he remains a good blocker who is very capable of inline play. His presence would allow the Chiefs to consistently utilize 12 personnel without having to sacrifice the ability to throw the ball, putting teams at a massive disadvantage in terms of trying to defend the pass and the run from a personnel standpoint. Don't put all your LB's out there, and Gronk/Kelce along with the Chiefs' road-grating OL will run you over for 8 yards per carry with Gronk and Kelce dominating smaller players off the line and in space. Put your LB's out there and the Chiefs will throw the ball to their mismatch TE's with ease.
Eric Berry is only 33 years old, much younger than Eric Weddle (who is 37 and just played a crucial role down the stretch for the Rams), and should be the healthiest he's been in years. He'll also be an absolute fraction of the price Tyrann is.
It's an offensive-based NFL right now, and any advantage you can gain on that side of the ball is worth pursuing. Hopkins has the exact skillset (namely, being awesome, but also being a physical receiver with great routes and fantastic hands that can punish 1x1 coverage on boundary) the Chiefs could use to just destroy teams who try and bend coverage towards Kelce and Hill.
While Hopkins deal is TOUGH, the Cardinals are on the hook for some of the dead money with his signing bonus, so the cap hit the Chiefs eat wouldn't be as large as what it is for Arizona. With all the drama there, this might be the time to pry him loose.
Aloha Seth. Thanks as always for another chance to win Super Bowl confetti! I think the Chiefs should trade away Chris Jones. They save cap space, get draft picks, and get younger (low cap hit players). With the cap savings, the Chiefs sign another impact offensive weapon. I trust Spags to help a new defense gel...over time.
I'd love it. Fisher is a superior pass protector to what the Chiefs had at RT last year (though that's assuming he can slide to RT from LT, which not everyone can do), and he's highly familiar with the system while being well-liked by coaches and players alike. Bringing a guy back who helps bring an edge to the line in run blocking (while he's not a power guy, he's got some nastiness to his game in that area) while providing an upgrade in pass pro is a great move to help Mahomes.
My brain immediately goes to the OL. Veach nailed nearly every OL addition this last offseason. What if we deal one of them to Cincinnati in an effort to receive Tee Higgins?
Argument there centers around positional value. A single OL doesn't move the needle the way a single receiver does, and Higgins is a good one. The Chiefs could trade away a guy like Thuney or Humphrey or Smith and still have a good offensive line, and they've shown that they can identify and develop young OL. Might as well take advantage of that and address a current weak spot on the team.
Let's go get Davante Adams. Go crazy with it. Give up a couple draft picks and go make the most absurd offense ever seen on planet earth. Who says no?😅
I answered that elsewhere in the thread, take a look! Basically, the idea is the Chiefs have no ceiling with Mahomes, and shooting for 40 per game isn't actually out of the question the way it is for some teams.
Let's say that a team like the Giants comes to Brett Veach and says something to the effect of, "We think Travis Kelce will unlock the incredible potential we see in our quarterback (in this case, Daniel Jones). What do you want for him? Name a price. We're willing to consider anything." Obviously this would be an unconventional (lol) negotiating strategy, and as a fan, I hate the idea of going down this path. But there has got to be a price, right?
The price is a 1st and a 2nd round pick as well as a solid starting player (on a decent contract) at a position the Chiefs need help in. Can't even have the conversation without all 3 of those components, and that's the minimum to even consider it given the level of importance Kelce has in the offense. I'd start out as the GM saying, "sure, for 2 first round picks and a starter that I choose as well as a talented role player," and see if they hang up the phone or are serious. And if Kelce were 3 years younger that wouldn't even get their feet in the door.
Easy argument: No matter the price, Donald/Jones would be the greatest interior pass rush combo in history and would create a situation where cutting costs elsewhere wouldn't hurt them nearly as much. It would also force the team to be more aggressive than ever on offense, hoping to goad teams into having to throw the ball early and often (and playing right into the hands of a Jones/Donald tandem).
Chiefs should trade Orlando Brown and 30 to the Giants for picks 5 and 7. Chiefs will be able to get Neal, Ekwonu, or Cross, and the best EDGE available.
If the giants offered that KC would accept in a heartbeat. Draft value charts aren't perfect but that trade essentially values Orlando Brown as being worth the 1st overall pick by himself.
I can tell you, with absolutely zero exaggeration, that if the Giants offered 5 and 7 for Brown (who I really like) and the 30th pick, the Chiefs should offer to fly someone by jet immediately to sign that deal.
Easy argument to make that's similar to the argument for grabbing Gronk. With a phenomenal pair of TE's, the Chiefs could line up in 12 personnel almost exclusively and force teams to make an impossible choice with their safeties and linebackers. Both Kelce and Kittle have shown that they will dominate safeties (or corners) in the run game, so it's a terrible idea to have an extra secondary player on the field to account for their receiving ability. However, you can count on one hand the linebackers who even have a remote chance at succeeding in coverage for even 2 seconds against either of them. Basically, no matter what you do as a defense, you leave yourself vulnerable. It would allow the Chiefs to be much more varied.
Nate, as ever, crushed that!
HI, this is Mrs. MNchiefsfan, and I can confirm that Seth did not acknowledge or respond to this post! :)
You couldn't help it, you made the argument yourself hahaha. I'll get there, I argue with myself all the time lol
I should note that I don't think sacks are unimportant, I think they're not as indicative of success nor as predictive of future success in the way win/loss percentage and hits/hurries are (due to the things that change a pressure/hit into a sack often not being related to the defender himself, but the context around the play). So the argument is that sacks are much more important in impacting the game, but not in gauging the performance of a player in said game.
Or darn, I made my argument instead of arguing with myself :)
If I were to formulate an argument that sacks are more important than hits/pressures in predicting future success or analyzing a player, I'd center it around the idea that finishing is a skill, and players who are able to consistently do so carry more value than players who carry a "close, but no cigar" sign with them on their way to the quarterback. In other words, the players who lead in sacks are more likely to finish and end the play.
Argument here should center around the OL. It's built to maul, and they were excellent at it in 2021. Utilize that as another weapon rather than relying almost exclusively on the passing game, and force teams to either get run over or adapt their play style when facing the Chiefs (which would, in theory, help the passing game with consistency).
The Bucs, desperate to extend this title window post-Brady, have offered their next 8 first and 3rd round picks to the Chiefs for Patrick Mahomes. Good luck Seth, haha!
that's almost exactly what I was going to say... obviously we don't want that, but his answer should be gold!
Haha, I almost didn’t even put it because anything involving Patrick is a non-starter, but with the rumor about WFT calling to check on him I couldn’t resist.
All right (deep breath)
In a league where resources are finite, this would put the Chiefs at a distinct advantage for a full decade in terms of resources while allowing them the cap space to absorb another franchise QB cap hit. And so, with this sort of haul they could trade for a good QB like Russ Wilson, pay him, and still have almost twice the draft capital of every other team for the next half-decade that would allow them flexibility to trade for assets and sign veterans (given their unheard-of pipeline for young, cheap talent) and load up the roster around a good (but not Mahomesian) QB for years to come.
You’re the man Seth!
So we should do it!??? Kidding..... :)
Trying to sign Rob Gronkowski.
Dangit, you took mine!!!
LOL, great minds think alike.
Gronk showed the last few seasons that he's still a good receiver, and he remains a good blocker who is very capable of inline play. His presence would allow the Chiefs to consistently utilize 12 personnel without having to sacrifice the ability to throw the ball, putting teams at a massive disadvantage in terms of trying to defend the pass and the run from a personnel standpoint. Don't put all your LB's out there, and Gronk/Kelce along with the Chiefs' road-grating OL will run you over for 8 yards per carry with Gronk and Kelce dominating smaller players off the line and in space. Put your LB's out there and the Chiefs will throw the ball to their mismatch TE's with ease.
Biggest issue would be what number does Gronk wear since Kelce already has 87.
Let's bring Eric Berry out of retirement to replace Tyrann, since he'll likely be too expensive.
Eric Berry is only 33 years old, much younger than Eric Weddle (who is 37 and just played a crucial role down the stretch for the Rams), and should be the healthiest he's been in years. He'll also be an absolute fraction of the price Tyrann is.
The Chiefs should trade for DeAndre Hopkins. Think about it. The stars are aligning.
It's an offensive-based NFL right now, and any advantage you can gain on that side of the ball is worth pursuing. Hopkins has the exact skillset (namely, being awesome, but also being a physical receiver with great routes and fantastic hands that can punish 1x1 coverage on boundary) the Chiefs could use to just destroy teams who try and bend coverage towards Kelce and Hill.
While Hopkins deal is TOUGH, the Cardinals are on the hook for some of the dead money with his signing bonus, so the cap hit the Chiefs eat wouldn't be as large as what it is for Arizona. With all the drama there, this might be the time to pry him loose.
Aloha Seth. Thanks as always for another chance to win Super Bowl confetti! I think the Chiefs should trade away Chris Jones. They save cap space, get draft picks, and get younger (low cap hit players). With the cap savings, the Chiefs sign another impact offensive weapon. I trust Spags to help a new defense gel...over time.
I actually already dealt with that one elsewhere in the thread (twice), so check that out! Plenty of y'all want to trade Jones, eh? hahaha
Chiefs bring Eric Fischer back to play RT
I'd love it. Fisher is a superior pass protector to what the Chiefs had at RT last year (though that's assuming he can slide to RT from LT, which not everyone can do), and he's highly familiar with the system while being well-liked by coaches and players alike. Bringing a guy back who helps bring an edge to the line in run blocking (while he's not a power guy, he's got some nastiness to his game in that area) while providing an upgrade in pass pro is a great move to help Mahomes.
Hmm…
My brain immediately goes to the OL. Veach nailed nearly every OL addition this last offseason. What if we deal one of them to Cincinnati in an effort to receive Tee Higgins?
Argument there centers around positional value. A single OL doesn't move the needle the way a single receiver does, and Higgins is a good one. The Chiefs could trade away a guy like Thuney or Humphrey or Smith and still have a good offensive line, and they've shown that they can identify and develop young OL. Might as well take advantage of that and address a current weak spot on the team.
Let's go get Davante Adams. Go crazy with it. Give up a couple draft picks and go make the most absurd offense ever seen on planet earth. Who says no?😅
I answered that elsewhere in the thread, take a look! Basically, the idea is the Chiefs have no ceiling with Mahomes, and shooting for 40 per game isn't actually out of the question the way it is for some teams.
Let's say that a team like the Giants comes to Brett Veach and says something to the effect of, "We think Travis Kelce will unlock the incredible potential we see in our quarterback (in this case, Daniel Jones). What do you want for him? Name a price. We're willing to consider anything." Obviously this would be an unconventional (lol) negotiating strategy, and as a fan, I hate the idea of going down this path. But there has got to be a price, right?
The price is a 1st and a 2nd round pick as well as a solid starting player (on a decent contract) at a position the Chiefs need help in. Can't even have the conversation without all 3 of those components, and that's the minimum to even consider it given the level of importance Kelce has in the offense. I'd start out as the GM saying, "sure, for 2 first round picks and a starter that I choose as well as a talented role player," and see if they hang up the phone or are serious. And if Kelce were 3 years younger that wouldn't even get their feet in the door.
Just 2 words...
Aaron Donald.
Easy argument: No matter the price, Donald/Jones would be the greatest interior pass rush combo in history and would create a situation where cutting costs elsewhere wouldn't hurt them nearly as much. It would also force the team to be more aggressive than ever on offense, hoping to goad teams into having to throw the ball early and often (and playing right into the hands of a Jones/Donald tandem).
I agree. Veach needs to do it
Chiefs should trade Orlando Brown and 30 to the Giants for picks 5 and 7. Chiefs will be able to get Neal, Ekwonu, or Cross, and the best EDGE available.
If the giants offered that KC would accept in a heartbeat. Draft value charts aren't perfect but that trade essentially values Orlando Brown as being worth the 1st overall pick by himself.
I can tell you, with absolutely zero exaggeration, that if the Giants offered 5 and 7 for Brown (who I really like) and the 30th pick, the Chiefs should offer to fly someone by jet immediately to sign that deal.
Chiefs should go try to trade for Kittle. That's a real 1/2 TE punch
I came here to say this.
Great minds.
Easy argument to make that's similar to the argument for grabbing Gronk. With a phenomenal pair of TE's, the Chiefs could line up in 12 personnel almost exclusively and force teams to make an impossible choice with their safeties and linebackers. Both Kelce and Kittle have shown that they will dominate safeties (or corners) in the run game, so it's a terrible idea to have an extra secondary player on the field to account for their receiving ability. However, you can count on one hand the linebackers who even have a remote chance at succeeding in coverage for even 2 seconds against either of them. Basically, no matter what you do as a defense, you leave yourself vulnerable. It would allow the Chiefs to be much more varied.
I think the factor for Kittle over Gronk is age. Kittle is entering his age 29 season. Gronk will turn 33 in May.