Right now, it seems like we can be thankful the consequences of bad decision making were not significantly worse. Having been in that area of Dallas a lot over the last few years, I am surprised that they weren't worse.
I hope everyone involved uses their luck to examine their choices and make better ones going forward.
Random question about the post-driving consumption defense. I had a buddy who was training to be a cop. He said that he's had obviously impaired drivers get pulled over, wait until he is up to their window, then open a few new shooters of alcohol and drain it in front of them.
I'm assuming that they're thinking that the cop now cannot prove that they were intoxicated prior to being pulled over.
Good gracious, having a plan for getting caught driving under the influence is surely worse than "just" driving under the influence. Premeditation and all that. We are really capable of despicable decisions as a species.
I used to be an officer and we had people that would make themselves puke, sometimes more than once, after being pulled over on suspicion of DUI/DWI because there was a 20 minute waiting period to administer the breathalyzer test after vomiting, otherwise it would result in an inaccurate reading. Basically, they were trying to buy time to get their BAC down. Ultimately, it wasn't a great strategy as an arrest can still be made if BAC is under .08 if the officer can show the driver was impaired. And most of them were so far above .08 that the extra 20-40 minutes wasn't going to do anything for them.
Yep. Puking, burping, abusing attorney time to drag feet without calling anyone, pretending to faint... people will try anything to get out of that 2 hour window.
I've only heard rumors of that methodology. One thing about doing it that way is that you're still in operational control of the MV while you're sitting in it with the keys, so you'd still get dinged!
A better way would be to jump out, run to the middle of the road, chuck the keys, THEN guzzle.
That said, I'd still charge it and tell the jury they can make the inference (which they of course would). So in theory, sure. In practice? Nah.
Yeah, it's one of those things that pretty much any jury would look at and be like, "yeah, I'm not buying that a sober/innocent person did that, unless they can offer a logical reason for doing that beside trying to mount a legal defense for drunk driving."
Correct! People forget that circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and juries IN GENERAL will look at it the right way in situations like that (though not always haha).
I have not been one asking for takes, but when I saw you gave yours I had to read it. Obviously, your legal knowledge is valuable, but it's your humanity and integrity that always makes your voice in these matters so valuable. You always put the emphasis on the victims and making them whole again, when so much attention is put on the athlete or coach. So while it may seem ridiculous that you need to have a take, I think you should know that your voice matters and undoubtedly influences the voices of others in sports media and water cooler conversations. Thank you, Seth.
Great article, Seth. It feels very similar to medicine, particularly psychiatry. You'll often see talking heads on news shows trying to diagnose a celebrity's or politician's behavior as some illness. The best clinicians won't infer anything and would wait to make any sort of judgment until actually talking to the patient themselves. Unfortunately, that nuanced approach doesn't get the clicks/views and is the worst part of media.
Well stated, Seth. There are several layers of consequences here. There are criminal consequences, civil consequences in making the victims whole, civil consequences in terms of Rashee's driving privileges, and of course, football consequences. Hopefully, he will take responsibility for all and be honest with the team. Hopefully, he will grow and mature from this.
We've all done really stupid things. Fortunately, for most of us, we don't have the combination of fame and opportunity to where our stupidity becomes national news. Time to grow up and learn, Rashee, no matter what the facts may show regarding his involvement. Prayers up that he does lean and that no one was seriously hurt.
The allegations and opinions on line are made worse by it being April Fools day...smh.
That said, him and Clark Hunt both went to the same college (SMU) and both live in Dallas so, I'm betting he's got the best legal representation money can buy.
Appreciate this very measured approach, Seth. Regardless of what happens in terms of criminal liability, I have to imagine he will be dealing with litigation on the civil side. We've all been "young and dumb" at some point with a decision, but as you said, racing on a busy highway is on another level of irresponsible. Given the info we do have, Occam's razor would suggest Rice was at minimum inside one of the two vehicles. Will be interesting to follow this story as it develops.
I agree that's definitely a reasonable inference one can make. I'm curious what he's doing right now. My assumption is his attorneys will reach out to LE to schedule an interview OR provide LE with a statement.
I think you do something that a lot of people don't, provide perspective. Perspective, especially in a take-centric atmosphere, is incredibly important so thanks for that.
If he is involved, regardless of the level, I really do hope someone does give him the "you're smarter than this, don't throw this all away" talk.
Excellent summary. We all need this analysis to see where this may lead. Let me say this…I hope someone informs Rashee about how things played out for Kareem Hunt. Rashee will soon face an interrogation with Andy, Brett, and most importantly, Clark Hunt. We, as Chiefs fans, have to hope he does not lie to them about the facts or Rashee’s brief and promising career with the Chiefs will likely have ended.
Sadly, even though he would forfeit the thrill of receiving passes from the greatest QB ever and earning additional rings, he would then be rewarded in free agency with a far more lucrative contract with a team sure to win the bidding war for him.
Life is crazy. I hope Rashee makes the right and honorable decisions he should in the coming days.
It still pisses me off to think about the Hunt situation. KC does the right thing and cuts him, then Cleveland (who's ownership has shown they don't care about the morals, optics of anything) steps in and signs him without any form of compensation back to KC. That is incongruent with what the league says about the code of conduct, protecting the shield blah blah blah. Ultimately Hunt was suspended for 8 games so he paid a price, but I'd argue the Chiefs paid a bigger price while Cleveland gained. There should be some form of supplemental draft pick so its not all downside for a team to have standards and release a player who violates said standards.
Tyreek was involved in his share of kerfuffles but evidently owned up to them (unlike Kareem). We will soon find out if Mr. Rice is completely brainless and void of even a smidgeon of moral integrity. If Rashee is smart he will call PM15 and do what Pat tells him to do.
I have been hoping that Kareem would call Rashee and share some wisdom. He seems to have been sincerely remorseful for his poor actions and choices. Even Larry Johnson seemingly matured post-NFL.
Smart, sensible article—unlike much of what’s been spouted in the last 36 hours.
I appreciate that! it's important to try and be measured even while voicing perfectly legitimate concerns!
Great answer Seth, thank you
I respect the way you are handling this. Thank you for the care you put into it.
Thanks, Seth. I look forward to the updates.
Right now, it seems like we can be thankful the consequences of bad decision making were not significantly worse. Having been in that area of Dallas a lot over the last few years, I am surprised that they weren't worse.
I hope everyone involved uses their luck to examine their choices and make better ones going forward.
This could have been a million times worse, for sure.
Random question about the post-driving consumption defense. I had a buddy who was training to be a cop. He said that he's had obviously impaired drivers get pulled over, wait until he is up to their window, then open a few new shooters of alcohol and drain it in front of them.
I'm assuming that they're thinking that the cop now cannot prove that they were intoxicated prior to being pulled over.
There's no way that would pass muster, right?
Good gracious, having a plan for getting caught driving under the influence is surely worse than "just" driving under the influence. Premeditation and all that. We are really capable of despicable decisions as a species.
I used to be an officer and we had people that would make themselves puke, sometimes more than once, after being pulled over on suspicion of DUI/DWI because there was a 20 minute waiting period to administer the breathalyzer test after vomiting, otherwise it would result in an inaccurate reading. Basically, they were trying to buy time to get their BAC down. Ultimately, it wasn't a great strategy as an arrest can still be made if BAC is under .08 if the officer can show the driver was impaired. And most of them were so far above .08 that the extra 20-40 minutes wasn't going to do anything for them.
Yep. Puking, burping, abusing attorney time to drag feet without calling anyone, pretending to faint... people will try anything to get out of that 2 hour window.
I'm sure you've seen it all!
I've only heard rumors of that methodology. One thing about doing it that way is that you're still in operational control of the MV while you're sitting in it with the keys, so you'd still get dinged!
A better way would be to jump out, run to the middle of the road, chuck the keys, THEN guzzle.
That said, I'd still charge it and tell the jury they can make the inference (which they of course would). So in theory, sure. In practice? Nah.
Yeah, it's one of those things that pretty much any jury would look at and be like, "yeah, I'm not buying that a sober/innocent person did that, unless they can offer a logical reason for doing that beside trying to mount a legal defense for drunk driving."
Correct! People forget that circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and juries IN GENERAL will look at it the right way in situations like that (though not always haha).
I have not been one asking for takes, but when I saw you gave yours I had to read it. Obviously, your legal knowledge is valuable, but it's your humanity and integrity that always makes your voice in these matters so valuable. You always put the emphasis on the victims and making them whole again, when so much attention is put on the athlete or coach. So while it may seem ridiculous that you need to have a take, I think you should know that your voice matters and undoubtedly influences the voices of others in sports media and water cooler conversations. Thank you, Seth.
Great article, Seth. It feels very similar to medicine, particularly psychiatry. You'll often see talking heads on news shows trying to diagnose a celebrity's or politician's behavior as some illness. The best clinicians won't infer anything and would wait to make any sort of judgment until actually talking to the patient themselves. Unfortunately, that nuanced approach doesn't get the clicks/views and is the worst part of media.
Well stated, Seth. There are several layers of consequences here. There are criminal consequences, civil consequences in making the victims whole, civil consequences in terms of Rashee's driving privileges, and of course, football consequences. Hopefully, he will take responsibility for all and be honest with the team. Hopefully, he will grow and mature from this.
We've all done really stupid things. Fortunately, for most of us, we don't have the combination of fame and opportunity to where our stupidity becomes national news. Time to grow up and learn, Rashee, no matter what the facts may show regarding his involvement. Prayers up that he does lean and that no one was seriously hurt.
Great view.
The allegations and opinions on line are made worse by it being April Fools day...smh.
That said, him and Clark Hunt both went to the same college (SMU) and both live in Dallas so, I'm betting he's got the best legal representation money can buy.
Appreciate this very measured approach, Seth. Regardless of what happens in terms of criminal liability, I have to imagine he will be dealing with litigation on the civil side. We've all been "young and dumb" at some point with a decision, but as you said, racing on a busy highway is on another level of irresponsible. Given the info we do have, Occam's razor would suggest Rice was at minimum inside one of the two vehicles. Will be interesting to follow this story as it develops.
I agree that's definitely a reasonable inference one can make. I'm curious what he's doing right now. My assumption is his attorneys will reach out to LE to schedule an interview OR provide LE with a statement.
I think you do something that a lot of people don't, provide perspective. Perspective, especially in a take-centric atmosphere, is incredibly important so thanks for that.
If he is involved, regardless of the level, I really do hope someone does give him the "you're smarter than this, don't throw this all away" talk.
Respect
Excellent summary. We all need this analysis to see where this may lead. Let me say this…I hope someone informs Rashee about how things played out for Kareem Hunt. Rashee will soon face an interrogation with Andy, Brett, and most importantly, Clark Hunt. We, as Chiefs fans, have to hope he does not lie to them about the facts or Rashee’s brief and promising career with the Chiefs will likely have ended.
Sadly, even though he would forfeit the thrill of receiving passes from the greatest QB ever and earning additional rings, he would then be rewarded in free agency with a far more lucrative contract with a team sure to win the bidding war for him.
Life is crazy. I hope Rashee makes the right and honorable decisions he should in the coming days.
It still pisses me off to think about the Hunt situation. KC does the right thing and cuts him, then Cleveland (who's ownership has shown they don't care about the morals, optics of anything) steps in and signs him without any form of compensation back to KC. That is incongruent with what the league says about the code of conduct, protecting the shield blah blah blah. Ultimately Hunt was suspended for 8 games so he paid a price, but I'd argue the Chiefs paid a bigger price while Cleveland gained. There should be some form of supplemental draft pick so its not all downside for a team to have standards and release a player who violates said standards.
Tyreek was involved in his share of kerfuffles but evidently owned up to them (unlike Kareem). We will soon find out if Mr. Rice is completely brainless and void of even a smidgeon of moral integrity. If Rashee is smart he will call PM15 and do what Pat tells him to do.
I have been hoping that Kareem would call Rashee and share some wisdom. He seems to have been sincerely remorseful for his poor actions and choices. Even Larry Johnson seemingly matured post-NFL.
Thank you for the very nuanced take. Brings a lot more perspective to the whole of the conversation.
All of the rational people in the world appear to be congregating in Seth's feed. I'm not sure what this feeling is but I could get comfortable in it.
Just wait until draft weekend. We'll see where that rationality level is at. ;-)
I have the best comment section in the world and there's zero debate on the subject!
Civility may not be totally dead but those few that practice it seem to live on CITN. We are blessed.
Not to mention the best looking group too.
And certainly humble. 😉
Good looking....civil.....and humble....my kind of combo!!
Red…you earned your biohazard icon. Congratulations!
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The little green icon next to your photo! 😇
The $12 annual paywall keeps out the riffraff 😆
With Seth it’s always money, money, money.
LOL
I do think there's something to be said for someone having stakes (even very low ones) helping filter bad stuff.
Yes. I find horse racing to be very boring…until I have just $2 bet on one. 🤞
There have been so many assumption on this one, that honestly, it's just great to read a take that isn't 100% CERTAIN of everything!