The former QB's recent comments on Mahomes vs Burrow is a terrific example of how bad quarterback discourse remains on the whole, even by smart people.
This made me giggle as well. Mahomes sack percentage is 3.9%, while Burrow is at 7.5%. Burrow loses nearly half a yard more per sack as well. Mahomes has rushed for 753 more yards than he has lost in sacks. Burrow has been sacked for 343 more yards than he has rushed. Burrow's turnover rate is also more than 20% higher than Mahomes.
QBR ain't the be all end all, but it does look at every dropback and/or run. The best Burrow season is 58.7, the worst Mahomes season is 62.2.
Burrow has lost 1 more game than Mahomes, and has a tie, in 38 less games started. I have said this before, but the only two things Burrow might be better than Mahomes at is smoking cigars and wearing shades, and he might not be as good at the second one.
This tweet is an example that just because a guy played a position does not mean he can analyze it. Burrow is closer to Palmer's skill set, and plays for one of his former teams.
If the Bengals were offered an already expensive Mahomes for a still cheap Burrow straight up, they would take it without thinking and thank God or their lucky stars or something for their good fortune. Yet somehow Bengal fans and old QBs still want to make this absurd argument. Whatever helps them sleep at night.
I'm not sure why people are giving oxygen to anything a failed NFL quarterback says? 1-3 in the postseason, 50% win rate during regular season. No real strong athletic ability. He conned a team out of some good money for a few years though. Burrow is what Palmer aspired to be. Never truly amazing like Mahomes, Manning, etc., but smart and talented.
I file this in the "stupid crap the internet gives life to" along with that dumb bank robber guy and the worthlessness that are "influencers".
Mahomes can use this for the 2023 Michael Jordan grudge file, but the rest of us should turn the page.
I think my gut reaction to getting so mad about things like this is we finally got THE ONE on our team. I had spent 28 years hoping and praying one of my teams would get the best player on them and we finally got it. And now these yahoos are trying to take that from us! Going to try to practice the art of not giving an eff but I am only a man.
Just remember they cannot take it away by spouting nonsense. They can only take it away by beating the Chiefs with a better team or game plan that one day.
Fan since the late 70s. I'm not letting any dufus steal my joy
All these shows survive by generating attention. Saying what is obviously true doesn't generate attention, but unfortunately saying obviously false things does. Whenever I see an unpopular or wrong statement, I just try to tell myself that it's bait. They win when we engage.
I was struck by your identification of the hypothetical versus the tangible!
Several decades ago Ayn Rand wrote a most insightful essay about the errors that result from confusing "the actual and the potential." She was talking mostly about errors in formulating and implementing social policy while you're talking about errors in evaluating quarterback play, but the underlying non sequitur is exactly the same.
Several additional points to the analysis. As we move forward Bengals will have to play a tougher schedule. Burrow has already said he wants to be the highest paid and they are going to lose and have to replace 1st class weapons and Oline and Dline. Also the comments disregard how Mahomes is able to sustain drives with multiple 3rd and long situations. Burrow failed several times in the AFC championship last year. As always Seth voice of reason and objectivity!
I think Palmer's description that Burrow "plays within the system" says exactly how much the Cincy receiving corps should be given credit. When a QB can hit the top of his drop back and throw the ball to an open man, that is all WRs.
Depending on your preferences and how you read certain outlier numbers, you could rank them in basically any order but most people would probably be fine lumping them all in the same general class.
QB2 is Burrow averaged over 17 games. QB3 is Allen averaged over 17 games. QB4 is Herbert averaged over 17 games. QB1 is Mahomes' worst game from each week of the season, by passer rating (usually games where they ran in all their TDs instead of passing for them or they got up big early and just killed the clock because actual bad games are REALLY rare for Mahomes).
Tier 1 is Mahomes.
Tier 2 is whichever of those other guys you prefer and Mahomes On A Bad Day.
To make a conversation for anyone other than Mahomes, you have to cherrypick stats and timeframes, create false narratives, use hypotheticals, and ignore the vast majority of actual, useful data.
Sacks don't hurt passer rating, so there's an argument they aren't actually his worst 17 games, but I needed an easy and objective way of picking his worst games and that was the one I chose. The lack of interceptions even in his worst games, especially for someone with a gunslinger attitude and a reputation for not operating within the system and going rogue or whatever Palmer said, is truly incredible. He's like Brett Favre except if Brett Favre routinely led the league in interceptions the good way instead of the bad way.
It would be hard to pick 17 Mahomes games in which he got sacked even remotely close to as often as Burrow's career rate. So the fact that Palmer used sacks in his hypothetical example is wild. Mahomes just got through an entire Super Bowl on one good leg against the best pash rush in recent history without taking a sack. I believe there are shirts to that effect.
I have tricked multiple people who insist I'm exaggerating Mahomes' greatness into unwittingly picking him at his worst over every one of his rivals with those numbers. It's a delightful way to spend one's time.
For the other three, it's their career stats averaged over 17 games and rounded to the nearest whole number. For Mahomes, it's his worst ever Week 1 game, his worst ever Week 2 game, etc., all added together to make a full season of still borderline elite QB play.
This reminds me of a similar composite I made comparing Mahomes’ career totals over his first 4 seasons as a starter with the “career years” of Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert. Turns out, Mahomes’ actual career is better than the composite of the seasons that made people think “these guys are as good as Mahomes.” LOL
It looks like your averages are for a 16 game season not a 17 game season. Though since he's played exactly 80 regular season games, 16 is a much simpler system.
So in an apples-to-apples comparison, he's first in yards, first in touchdowns, first in interceptions, first in sacks, first in winning percentage, and first in scoring. I'm only a math teacher with a stats degree but I can't find any way to torture those numbers and come out with anything other than first. I guess Burrow has a higher completion percentage if you want to use that as your sole data point, but could easily be explained by the fact that he's taken more sacks in every season (including his rookie year which was only ten games) than Mahomes has in any season (which again makes Palmer's hypothetical particularly absurd) and that some of Mahomes' incompletions are probably throwaways that the Bengals would prefer Burrow have made.
Again, Tier 1 is Mahomes
Tier 2 is Whichever Of These Guys You Like Most and Mahomes At His Worst
The only real disagreement supported by these numbers (or most of the more advanced numbers and charts where they have to extend the parameters of the entire graph to fit Mahomes in the top-right corner all by himself) would be if you think there should be a tier between Mahomes and the field, which is a discussion I would be far more interested in having.
This is all fascinating, Alex, and it's obvious you've spent quite a little bit of time compiling all this data. Kudos for your effort. The thing that I may never understand is how people can simply watch these QBs play and determine that any of them are in Pat's stratosphere, even if there were a complete absence of stats to compare them. It just seems so obvious as I watch that there is Mahomes on a level all by himself and then everyone else. In my estimation, he is Michael Jordan on a football field, a talent so superior that it's inarguable. If that weren't enough, what one sees with their own eyes is backed by virtually any statistical measure, counting or advanced.
My only explanation is that they watch small non-representative samples combined with bad faith arguments. Watch Josh Allen's highlights and he looks as good as Mahomes. Watch the second half of the AFC Championship Game a year ago and Burrow looks better than Mahomes. But any reasonable sample shows that he can match any highlight without the mistakes.
Hot takes generate clicks. Seth makes wonderful points about about how faulty these arguments are (and it feels like this is a crossover that he sees a lot in his day job). The problem is you don't need facts or even truth to get people stirred up. Counterintuitively, the less you have, the more effective/viral the statements seem to be.
Regardless, I love Palmer for this! I've never been a big fan of his, but like him more now. If there's even a remote chance that this takes space in Patrick's "hold my beer" grudge file, then it's amazing. He just won a Super Bowl off a gimp ankle. I applaud any chance that there's motivation to prove a point beyond that.
Great article! Can't believe your restraint in not just endlessly dunking on Palmer for implying that somehow Mahomes takes more unnecessary sacks than Burrow. I see why you didn't, it's not the point of the article, but ooooooh man did reading that send steam shooting out of my ears.
I suspect Carson Palmer's argument is really founded on two memorable plays he witnessed in games between the Bengals and the Chiefs over the past three seasons. But as we all know, the plural of anecdote is not "data".
The description of the "hypothetical" play he describes matches nicely with two very important, very costly ankle-tackle sacks that Mahomes took on 3rd and long situations facing the Bengals (better than advertised) pass rush. You probably remember these plays, just as Carson does.
What Carson *doesn't* know is, the reason these plays are so memorable that I can call them up for Chiefs fans with the simple mnemonic "ankle tackle sacks" is that Mahomes *never* gets ankle tackled for a sack, with the exception of those two plays. If I ask you to conjure up memories of Mahomes escaping sacks, I'm sure we could easily list dozens. We can also recall more than a few times when Mahomes was swallowed in a collapsing pocket. But it's far easier to recall instances of Mahomes high stepping out of the grasp of frustrated defensive linemen after escaping the pocket than it is to recall instances of him getting ankle tackled. The only other that readily comes to mind is in the last Super Bowl, when he was already hobbled.
I don't have the data to prove it, but I know, having watched all of the games, Mahomes is almost never caught in that situation. He almost always escapes. And the data I have seen about his performance in 3rd/4th and Long situations bears that out. He's so far beyond every other QB in those situations, it's laughable. And the reason is, Mahomes almost never gets sacked on do-or-die downs, and when he escapes the pocket in those situations, he almost always makes the right call between throw or pass. But Palmer remembers the two (three counting the Super Bowl) where that didn't happen, and seems to forget that two of those three games ended in Chiefs victory, because of all the *other* plays Mahomes made. And *that* is why Mahomes is the greatest QB alive, and it's not especially close.
I'm not talented enough nor do I have enough time to do my own statistical analysis, so I rely on the "subjective" stats provided by others. With that said, it's not difficult to look at PFF's stats that show Mahomes took sacks on only 10.1% of the times he was pressured. Burrow, on the other hand, took sacks on 22.1% of his pressures. So beyond the eye test, the analysis of people with far more time than I have also agrees that Mahomes is far superior at avoiding sacks.
Kudos to you on the supported analysis of his ridiculous statement. Palmer also has potential conflict of interest/bias since the Bengals are involved. What expertise has Palmer demonstrated to have a worthwhile opinion? He clearly has not done any true analysis and seems to be going with the "gut feel" because not even the eye test can support this. I did not bother to read more of Palmer's statement since he was going just supply a created scenario as reliable. Burrow has been sacked at a much higher rate which instantly derails this "vision". The consistency argument is true in that Burrow has been consistently been sacked more often. Lol Maybe that is the design of the Bengal system to have more negative plays. Ha
The win totals head to head don't matter. They are not playing the same defense in the same situations. This will even out most likely in the near future.
In reality, Palmer's comment doesn't really merit consideration or reply. Glad you did anyway!
“Profound, but technically meaningless.” QB analysis is just one of many subjects which suffer from this problem of ill defined and overly broad comparisons.
You cite "consistency" as an ill defined term. You can't compare QB's consistency unless you define it. Consistency sounds profound... but it is meaningless unless it is defined. Defined in a way which can be compared one QB to another.
I've taken notes on this article and used the general premise that much discussion is profound, but meaningless and applied it to other areas of discussion.
Climate change, economics, predictions regarding China and Russia...
What the heck is climate? Average weather of a region and at a time of year? Weather is what? Temperature? Or how 'bout temperature extremes? And over what time frame? And over what region of the world?
I'll not distract the readers with spurious arguments about climate change.
Suffice it to say that your reference to “Profound, but technically meaningless" is a new way of analyzing discourse in more ways than just QBs. Thank you.
Carson Palmer is merely the latest example of the old adage that beauty fades but stupid lasts forever.
As just one example: I can't believe that he was so foolish as to strongly imply that Mahomes gets sacked more frequently than Burrow does.
This made me giggle as well. Mahomes sack percentage is 3.9%, while Burrow is at 7.5%. Burrow loses nearly half a yard more per sack as well. Mahomes has rushed for 753 more yards than he has lost in sacks. Burrow has been sacked for 343 more yards than he has rushed. Burrow's turnover rate is also more than 20% higher than Mahomes.
QBR ain't the be all end all, but it does look at every dropback and/or run. The best Burrow season is 58.7, the worst Mahomes season is 62.2.
Burrow has lost 1 more game than Mahomes, and has a tie, in 38 less games started. I have said this before, but the only two things Burrow might be better than Mahomes at is smoking cigars and wearing shades, and he might not be as good at the second one.
This tweet is an example that just because a guy played a position does not mean he can analyze it. Burrow is closer to Palmer's skill set, and plays for one of his former teams.
If the Bengals were offered an already expensive Mahomes for a still cheap Burrow straight up, they would take it without thinking and thank God or their lucky stars or something for their good fortune. Yet somehow Bengal fans and old QBs still want to make this absurd argument. Whatever helps them sleep at night.
I'm not sure why people are giving oxygen to anything a failed NFL quarterback says? 1-3 in the postseason, 50% win rate during regular season. No real strong athletic ability. He conned a team out of some good money for a few years though. Burrow is what Palmer aspired to be. Never truly amazing like Mahomes, Manning, etc., but smart and talented.
I file this in the "stupid crap the internet gives life to" along with that dumb bank robber guy and the worthlessness that are "influencers".
Mahomes can use this for the 2023 Michael Jordan grudge file, but the rest of us should turn the page.
I think my gut reaction to getting so mad about things like this is we finally got THE ONE on our team. I had spent 28 years hoping and praying one of my teams would get the best player on them and we finally got it. And now these yahoos are trying to take that from us! Going to try to practice the art of not giving an eff but I am only a man.
Just remember they cannot take it away by spouting nonsense. They can only take it away by beating the Chiefs with a better team or game plan that one day.
Fan since the late 70s. I'm not letting any dufus steal my joy
All these shows survive by generating attention. Saying what is obviously true doesn't generate attention, but unfortunately saying obviously false things does. Whenever I see an unpopular or wrong statement, I just try to tell myself that it's bait. They win when we engage.
You are 100% right. The attention economy is gross and the incentives to say stupid untrue things is depressing.....
But...like.....MAHOMES IS BETTER AND I NEED HIM TO KNOW!
BUT IT'S PROVOCATIVE!
IT GETS THE PEOPLE GOING!
I was struck by your identification of the hypothetical versus the tangible!
Several decades ago Ayn Rand wrote a most insightful essay about the errors that result from confusing "the actual and the potential." She was talking mostly about errors in formulating and implementing social policy while you're talking about errors in evaluating quarterback play, but the underlying non sequitur is exactly the same.
Interesting
Several additional points to the analysis. As we move forward Bengals will have to play a tougher schedule. Burrow has already said he wants to be the highest paid and they are going to lose and have to replace 1st class weapons and Oline and Dline. Also the comments disregard how Mahomes is able to sustain drives with multiple 3rd and long situations. Burrow failed several times in the AFC championship last year. As always Seth voice of reason and objectivity!
Thanks
How much of any perceived closeness of performance between Patrick and Joe were related to the Bengals’ stellar receiving corp?
I think Palmer's description that Burrow "plays within the system" says exactly how much the Cincy receiving corps should be given credit. When a QB can hit the top of his drop back and throw the ball to an open man, that is all WRs.
Blind resume test of four young, active hyped QBs:
QB1 4331 yds, 21 TD-12 INT, 24 Sacks, 14-3 W-L, 24.6 pts/g
QB2 4666 yds, 33 TD-13 INT, 50 Sacks, 10-7 W-L, 25.3 pts/g
QB3 4062 yds, 30 TD-13 INT, 33 Sacks, 11-6 W-L, 25.7 pts/g
QB4 4888 yds, 33 TD-12 INT, 35 Sacks, 9-8 W-L, 25.2 pts/g
Depending on your preferences and how you read certain outlier numbers, you could rank them in basically any order but most people would probably be fine lumping them all in the same general class.
QB2 is Burrow averaged over 17 games. QB3 is Allen averaged over 17 games. QB4 is Herbert averaged over 17 games. QB1 is Mahomes' worst game from each week of the season, by passer rating (usually games where they ran in all their TDs instead of passing for them or they got up big early and just killed the clock because actual bad games are REALLY rare for Mahomes).
Tier 1 is Mahomes.
Tier 2 is whichever of those other guys you prefer and Mahomes On A Bad Day.
To make a conversation for anyone other than Mahomes, you have to cherrypick stats and timeframes, create false narratives, use hypotheticals, and ignore the vast majority of actual, useful data.
And he still got sacked the least amount of times and threw the least picks
Sacks don't hurt passer rating, so there's an argument they aren't actually his worst 17 games, but I needed an easy and objective way of picking his worst games and that was the one I chose. The lack of interceptions even in his worst games, especially for someone with a gunslinger attitude and a reputation for not operating within the system and going rogue or whatever Palmer said, is truly incredible. He's like Brett Favre except if Brett Favre routinely led the league in interceptions the good way instead of the bad way.
Ahh I gotcha. But still he had less than half as many sacks as Burrow 🤣
It would be hard to pick 17 Mahomes games in which he got sacked even remotely close to as often as Burrow's career rate. So the fact that Palmer used sacks in his hypothetical example is wild. Mahomes just got through an entire Super Bowl on one good leg against the best pash rush in recent history without taking a sack. I believe there are shirts to that effect.
This is awesome and hilarious.
I have tricked multiple people who insist I'm exaggerating Mahomes' greatness into unwittingly picking him at his worst over every one of his rivals with those numbers. It's a delightful way to spend one's time.
Good work sir. I intend to steal it (lol). One question: what 17 games did you use for the other three QBs? Guessing last season?
For the other three, it's their career stats averaged over 17 games and rounded to the nearest whole number. For Mahomes, it's his worst ever Week 1 game, his worst ever Week 2 game, etc., all added together to make a full season of still borderline elite QB play.
Thank you. Good work.
This reminds me of a similar composite I made comparing Mahomes’ career totals over his first 4 seasons as a starter with the “career years” of Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert. Turns out, Mahomes’ actual career is better than the composite of the seasons that made people think “these guys are as good as Mahomes.” LOL
What are Mahomes’ numbers when averaged over 17 games?
edit: Not sure I used the same methodology that you did, but by dividing his career totals by 17 games, I get the following:
4848 yards, 38 TD-10 INT, 24 Sacks, 13-3 Record, 29 pts/game
This is what I came up with:
5151 yds, 41 TD-10 INT, 26 sacks, 14-3 W-L, 30.3 pts/game
It looks like your averages are for a 16 game season not a 17 game season. Though since he's played exactly 80 regular season games, 16 is a much simpler system.
So in an apples-to-apples comparison, he's first in yards, first in touchdowns, first in interceptions, first in sacks, first in winning percentage, and first in scoring. I'm only a math teacher with a stats degree but I can't find any way to torture those numbers and come out with anything other than first. I guess Burrow has a higher completion percentage if you want to use that as your sole data point, but could easily be explained by the fact that he's taken more sacks in every season (including his rookie year which was only ten games) than Mahomes has in any season (which again makes Palmer's hypothetical particularly absurd) and that some of Mahomes' incompletions are probably throwaways that the Bengals would prefer Burrow have made.
Again, Tier 1 is Mahomes
Tier 2 is Whichever Of These Guys You Like Most and Mahomes At His Worst
The only real disagreement supported by these numbers (or most of the more advanced numbers and charts where they have to extend the parameters of the entire graph to fit Mahomes in the top-right corner all by himself) would be if you think there should be a tier between Mahomes and the field, which is a discussion I would be far more interested in having.
This is all fascinating, Alex, and it's obvious you've spent quite a little bit of time compiling all this data. Kudos for your effort. The thing that I may never understand is how people can simply watch these QBs play and determine that any of them are in Pat's stratosphere, even if there were a complete absence of stats to compare them. It just seems so obvious as I watch that there is Mahomes on a level all by himself and then everyone else. In my estimation, he is Michael Jordan on a football field, a talent so superior that it's inarguable. If that weren't enough, what one sees with their own eyes is backed by virtually any statistical measure, counting or advanced.
My only explanation is that they watch small non-representative samples combined with bad faith arguments. Watch Josh Allen's highlights and he looks as good as Mahomes. Watch the second half of the AFC Championship Game a year ago and Burrow looks better than Mahomes. But any reasonable sample shows that he can match any highlight without the mistakes.
Hot takes generate clicks. Seth makes wonderful points about about how faulty these arguments are (and it feels like this is a crossover that he sees a lot in his day job). The problem is you don't need facts or even truth to get people stirred up. Counterintuitively, the less you have, the more effective/viral the statements seem to be.
Regardless, I love Palmer for this! I've never been a big fan of his, but like him more now. If there's even a remote chance that this takes space in Patrick's "hold my beer" grudge file, then it's amazing. He just won a Super Bowl off a gimp ankle. I applaud any chance that there's motivation to prove a point beyond that.
We all know Patrick remembers…
Ha! Indeed, activating Petty Mahomes is a good thing.
"This isn’t because I’m super duper great (though I’d love for you all to feel that way)..."
Oh, don't you worry Seth, we DO feel you're super duper great!
Awwwwwwww
There are people who are bored with Mahomes. I feel bad for them.
Is this true or what? 👍
This is 100% starting to happen.
That’s what I hear Kyle Brandy say on Good Morning Football. And others elsewhere. They’re bored with PM winning. We’re the same ppl bored with Brady?
Great article! Can't believe your restraint in not just endlessly dunking on Palmer for implying that somehow Mahomes takes more unnecessary sacks than Burrow. I see why you didn't, it's not the point of the article, but ooooooh man did reading that send steam shooting out of my ears.
I suspect Carson Palmer's argument is really founded on two memorable plays he witnessed in games between the Bengals and the Chiefs over the past three seasons. But as we all know, the plural of anecdote is not "data".
The description of the "hypothetical" play he describes matches nicely with two very important, very costly ankle-tackle sacks that Mahomes took on 3rd and long situations facing the Bengals (better than advertised) pass rush. You probably remember these plays, just as Carson does.
What Carson *doesn't* know is, the reason these plays are so memorable that I can call them up for Chiefs fans with the simple mnemonic "ankle tackle sacks" is that Mahomes *never* gets ankle tackled for a sack, with the exception of those two plays. If I ask you to conjure up memories of Mahomes escaping sacks, I'm sure we could easily list dozens. We can also recall more than a few times when Mahomes was swallowed in a collapsing pocket. But it's far easier to recall instances of Mahomes high stepping out of the grasp of frustrated defensive linemen after escaping the pocket than it is to recall instances of him getting ankle tackled. The only other that readily comes to mind is in the last Super Bowl, when he was already hobbled.
I don't have the data to prove it, but I know, having watched all of the games, Mahomes is almost never caught in that situation. He almost always escapes. And the data I have seen about his performance in 3rd/4th and Long situations bears that out. He's so far beyond every other QB in those situations, it's laughable. And the reason is, Mahomes almost never gets sacked on do-or-die downs, and when he escapes the pocket in those situations, he almost always makes the right call between throw or pass. But Palmer remembers the two (three counting the Super Bowl) where that didn't happen, and seems to forget that two of those three games ended in Chiefs victory, because of all the *other* plays Mahomes made. And *that* is why Mahomes is the greatest QB alive, and it's not especially close.
I'm not talented enough nor do I have enough time to do my own statistical analysis, so I rely on the "subjective" stats provided by others. With that said, it's not difficult to look at PFF's stats that show Mahomes took sacks on only 10.1% of the times he was pressured. Burrow, on the other hand, took sacks on 22.1% of his pressures. So beyond the eye test, the analysis of people with far more time than I have also agrees that Mahomes is far superior at avoiding sacks.
Bravo!
Kudos to you on the supported analysis of his ridiculous statement. Palmer also has potential conflict of interest/bias since the Bengals are involved. What expertise has Palmer demonstrated to have a worthwhile opinion? He clearly has not done any true analysis and seems to be going with the "gut feel" because not even the eye test can support this. I did not bother to read more of Palmer's statement since he was going just supply a created scenario as reliable. Burrow has been sacked at a much higher rate which instantly derails this "vision". The consistency argument is true in that Burrow has been consistently been sacked more often. Lol Maybe that is the design of the Bengal system to have more negative plays. Ha
The win totals head to head don't matter. They are not playing the same defense in the same situations. This will even out most likely in the near future.
In reality, Palmer's comment doesn't really merit consideration or reply. Glad you did anyway!
Just another former player that is upset Mahomes is clearly and definitively better than they were
Nice to see a solid demonstration of applied critical thinking
“Profound, but technically meaningless.” QB analysis is just one of many subjects which suffer from this problem of ill defined and overly broad comparisons.
You cite "consistency" as an ill defined term. You can't compare QB's consistency unless you define it. Consistency sounds profound... but it is meaningless unless it is defined. Defined in a way which can be compared one QB to another.
I've taken notes on this article and used the general premise that much discussion is profound, but meaningless and applied it to other areas of discussion.
Climate change, economics, predictions regarding China and Russia...
What the heck is climate? Average weather of a region and at a time of year? Weather is what? Temperature? Or how 'bout temperature extremes? And over what time frame? And over what region of the world?
I'll not distract the readers with spurious arguments about climate change.
Suffice it to say that your reference to “Profound, but technically meaningless" is a new way of analyzing discourse in more ways than just QBs. Thank you.
But the QBWinz stat was the primary reason so many Chiefs fans were mad when Mahomes was drafted.